Mark, I read your comments above about the immigration mess, and they're very similar to your previous ones, and very logical to a point.  My question again to you is-  With folks like Mary and myself lined up on the other side, how do you expect our government  to come to any consensus towards illegals and somehow deport them?.....

......Stein for Congress 2010 says lets leave the blog thread and a cat wearing a sombrero and explain this concept with pictures??!!

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Protest corruption here by not sending remittances 

 Boycott =
          change =
                     reform =
                           stability = Infrastructure=jobs for Americans, jobs for Mexicans     Fine Americans
                                                                                                                                                                        will visit and spend $$$$$$$$

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back to where we left off in the blog

My solution again;  cripple that miserable Mexican government into-somehow- begin making an earnest effort to clean up the corruption in the little towns, and make it livable down there!  That  will only happen once we (by not traveling to), and Mexican illegals-  boycott their home country by not sending money back, with their relatives approval! - and the whole world watches in admiration.  DOES ANYBODY HAVE A BETTER PLAN????

As a reward for the Mexican illegals doing this (with all other, "illegals," benefiting).   We give them one last amnesty BECAUSE AS I JUST EXPLAINED  they're not going anywhere- with people like me and Mary in their court.  And I'd NOW SAY TO MY NEW FRIEND MARY, CAN WE PLEASE SEAL THE BORDER AND ELIMINATE THE 14TH AMENDMENT... FINALLY!  There are no more slaves with newborns we need to make amends to anymore.  And one last point.  A strong Mexico would do wonders for our stuck economy.  They'd need all kinds of expertise from us........Stein has the answer!  But who am I?

Posted by Gary Stein on 12/12/2009 @ 08:13AM PT

Yes, Gary. I liked that! COMPROMISE does ring a bell with me. You are correct that there are too many Citizen's in the US that are against the concept of deporting the undocumented. They aren't going to change their opinion on that either.

So COMPROMISE a realistic solution to hold the Mexican government accountable in this change is real important.

Posted by Mary Pranzatelli on 12/12/2009 @ 08:36AM PT

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.......Mexico already has the expertise to become an economical power and to retain their "hard working citizens" but they lack the desire.   It is more beneficial for them to ship their poor to us and suck up the remittances.   Gary, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.

The only real solution for the American people is to not reward law breaking once again and to enforce the laws on the books.   E-verify will make most of them self-deport along with "really" securing our borders and rigorous internal enforcement.  We built this country and continued to make it economically strong without massive illegal immigration in the past and we shall and will do it again.   Healthcare, education and other taxpayer benefits should be for Americans only.   That would free up billions of our taxes.

 Posted by Mark Lindley on 12/12/2009 @ 06:38PM PT

Mark, YOU are a good guy  - even if you are entrenched and won't see my unusual strategy as a way of getting around the gridlock.

My "assault"-  the boycott of the rotten Mexico government (Calderon and some others excluded)- might have been a good talk radio initiative.  I, like you, have absolutely no faith in our government.  Are we any more energy secure then we were a year and a half ago?  And- I'm half way through a book about the 30 year build up to the  banking crisis that nearly doomed us last year.  Oversight committees my foot, the lawmakers allowed, or changed, accounting rules to permit wildly leveraged investment instruments to be hidden on the Wall Street firms, and bank books.  The NY Fed Chairman who warned about a looming meltdown in the early 90's went on to work for one of these Ponzi investment firms soon after.  I spit on all of them.

So why are we arguing Mark?  We're the solution. Neither of us have any expectations that our government can fix this mess.  My idea, using Hispanic and traditional talk radio to push for a boycott of Mexico, could move the reform along. But I have no clout,  so it won't, and that's my response to your first point, (and I guess we're not the solution either, that I thought we were 10 seconds ago.)

Your other point, that Mexicans wouldn't stop sending remittances home?  How do you know?  I know these Mexicans--- they sure as hell would.  Besides the promise of amnesty, its an opportunity to focus world opinion on the government corruption.

I really don't get the pessimistic view Mark, is it RACISM that leads some of us to believe they don't have the fortitude to make a ONE TIME sacrifice? 

The other points you make, the rewarding bad behavior; the e-verify which in your perfect world would lead to 20 million trudging back home across the border-back to corrupt Mexico- remember I want to change that one fact, the corruption.

.........well one day, MAYBE they'll rise up on their own and have a nice little REVOLUTION while giving us the middle finger as in F*** YOU and the fence!!  Is that what we want,  Che Guevera on our border??!!  Pull these American kids out of American schools now, to go back with their parents (who are illegal), and you Mark, and folks who think like you, will have created quite a little mess (on our border) in the future.........

Hi Gary,

 

I agree with your idea of getting the mexican government to clean up its towns and systems.

An example of the corruption in some south american countries' government is that when murder occurs, if the police can't find the real suspect, they will literally pick somebody off the street and lie to the public and tell them that the innocent person was the one convicting the murder.

There was an article about it in a prestigious paper, but the name escapes me, with so much I read on the news these days.

Although the Mexican government is damn corrupt, the answer lies also in the US government. Indeed it is a very complex issue, but we cannot ignore it.

In solidarity,

Universal

Posted by Universal Compassion on 12/14/2009 @ 02:45PM PT

Thanks U.C., Why have a foreign policy at all, if we can't do better right on our border?  Build a fence?  Smart idea after we've bungled things for so long. 

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